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Naughty Corner => Ban Appeals => Topic started by: AlexChar on November 16, 2014, 07:51:58 PM
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In-game name:
AlexChar
- Date and time of ban? (Include Timezone):
NO IDEA
- Which Staff member banned you? (Blank if you do not know)
NO IDEA (IP ban apparently)
- Why were you banned? (What Appears on your ban message)
NO IDEA
- Were you previously jailed or muted? (If yes, say why)
for 5 mins, cause I made a regrettable mistake
- Why should you be unbanned?
Cause I've been banned for no reason?
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it might not be for no reason.... maybe just a reason you are not aware of...
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Your brother was ban evading so I banned the IP.
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PFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTT! So guess I have to wait till, you all review his "crime" ? in 7 days??
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Yes, if he appeals on forums. Until then, your IP will be banned for precaution.
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- In-game name:
AlexChar
- Date and time of ban? (Include Timezone):
19/11/2014 21:00
- Which Staff member banned you? (Blank if you do not know)
No idea
- Why were you banned? (What Appears on your ban message)
Cause apparently asking why no one can find out who griefed me is a crime and stating I havent griefed (I have mis-clicked a potato farm by mistake! is a crime.. which we all do)
- Were you previously jailed or muted? (If yes, say why)
for 5 mins for accidentally mis-clicking a potato farm yes
Why should you be unbanned?
Cause there is no valid reason for banning me, I havent done anything wrong.. Ive been banned due to a certain admin not hearing me out..... ???
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Seriously unhappy with the why you have reacted to me speaking the truth.... next time, give me time to explain my thoughts before judging.
Kind regards
AlexChar
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Are you an idiot? You distorted what happened to both of us and decided to say here that we did not give you time to explain? I will show everyone the logs and they will see that by what you were saying in the chat, you deserved to be banned by account compromised.
[16:05:46] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] richgotya: well least the thing is you know what it feels like o be griefed..
[16:06:07] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 85/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: Oh I already have been griefed 4 times
[16:06:19] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 95/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: know the feeling
[16:06:51] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 85/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: Nor Have i ever griefed so... its good
[16:07:01] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] Migas_: Yes you have griefed, liar.
[16:07:02] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] richgotya: you never have griefed?
[16:07:05] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] richgotya: >_>
[16:07:07] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 85/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: nope
[16:07:14] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 87/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: my IP has yes
[16:07:18] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] richgotya: i just rolled you back 2 days ago for it
[16:07:22] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 87/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: mmm your mistaken
[16:07:27] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] Migas_: Oh? So your account is compromised?
[16:07:29] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] richgotya: Am i?
[16:07:30] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 87/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: that was infact my cous
[16:07:39] [Server thread/INFO]: migas94 issued server command: /ban AlexChar Account compromised
As you can see, you said to us that it was your cousin, we gave you time to explain how the griefs on your account appeared. However, we already have been notified that you missunderstood us and I also told your cousin that if you appealed here, you may had a chance to return in-game, but apparently you decided to act stupid about it and blame it instantly on us.
(I have mis-clicked a potato farm by mistake! is a crime.. which we all do)
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Cause there is no valid reason for banning me, I havent done anything wrong..
Oh... one more thing. You do not need to answer my first question on this post, because you're really an idiot. I didn't know that missclicking more than 200 blocks in zombyman's house (the rollback Rich talked about) is a "mistake"... or also ignoring the fact that we were talking to AlexChar and instead report the case to your cousin and make us believe that your account has been compromised is another simple "mistake".
Now that I see that you persist on lying, even on your ban appeal, you just prove us that this ban is more than valid for you to learn from your "mistakes", as you call them.
Anyway, your appeal will be reviewed and in the next 7 days we will give you an answer.
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I dont appreciate the tone you took with this "ban appeal"
Maybe instead of coming off like an ass when you are appealing to a higher authority... you should try to remain calm and collected. That way people who are involved with reviewing it might be more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Just so you, and anyone else who might read this knows. The "Account Compromised" ban is ALWAYS for YOUR protection. Its meant to safeguard your account in the event that you were daft enough to let someone else get on it. Otherwise someone could burn all your things, destroy all your stuff ect. So maybe instead of attacking Migas, try thanking him. I will wait.
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Account compromised is there as Migas didnt allow me finish my sentence.
No one else is on my account, its people jumping to conclusions.
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conclusions you said YOU NEVER GRIEFED. ok well your account has if it wasnt you then some one had access so again... What exactly is wrong?
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1. I was talking about my cousins accounts, which has just been unbanned.
2. I stated I haven't griefed as i haven't, I plainly misclicked a potato farm, which I dont class as griefing No
its exactly the same as a mod/admin coming to my home and placing a block... which has happened over 7 times to myself.
3. So if that is classed as griefing 9/10 of mods/admins deserve to be banned same as myself
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Now by all means, i accept the fact I have been banned, although I don't appreciate people not listening to my side before coming to an conclusion which Migas did.
its like placing someone in jail when you haven't listened to what they have to say.
Its UNFAIR
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Yes, I did listen. You're the person who is not listening/reading though.
Maybe re-read the first post I posted and see what you have said to us in-game. I came up with a conclusion with your chat which showed everyone that, from it, you had another people playing in it.
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AlexChar: Nor Have i ever griefed so... its good ( which I have just stated previous to this)
Migas_: Yes you have griefed, liar. ( Just explained myself )
richgotya: you never have griefed? ( a repeat of Migas)
] richgotya: >_>
AlexChar: nope ( stating i havent)
AlexChar: my IP has yes ( my IP has yes, as my cousin got us both banned due to him griefing when we both first started playing)
richgotya: i just rolled you back 2 days ago for it ( about my maps- which I probs still dont have- but thanks for trying i guess)
AlexChar: mmm your mistaken ( mistaken about me griefing)
Migas_: Oh? So your account is compromised? ( you guessing I have griefed when i said havnt griefed but i IP has)
richgotya: Am i? ( yes, as I havent griefed)
AlexChar: that was infact my cous ( just explained that reason 5 points above this)
[16:07:39] [Server thread/INFO]: migas94 issued server command: /ban AlexChar Account compromised ( a ban for miscommunication
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We don't guess a grief. We use Log Block. A plugin that tracks who places and destroys blocks. Rich rolled back a grief done by your account, roll back wouldn't of worked unless the name of the account was on the destroyed/placed blocks. This means, you griefed, or someone using your account did. Seeing as you say you didn't grief, then someone else was on your account, making it compromised. This is bannable immediately to protect your account. All you have to do is request a password change on the forums. Not make a hoohaa.
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I destroyed a potato harvest- you used that plugin ( I am Accepting that Elle, so can we move on please)
And read my previous post about my views on that action,
I would understand that If yes I didnt it a few times and destroyed the lot of them, however i didnt
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We have exact coordinates, dates, and your name written upon the times you griefed.
Now, There is concrete proof that you greifed. If you maintain (As you have) that you never greifed, then the only logical conclusion is that your account is compromised.
And no, I am not talking about the single potato.
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I havent griefed else where, that was the only time I have.
I only know of that+ are you talking about myself alone or my IP ?
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I destroyed a potato harvest- you used that plugin ( I am Accepting that Elle, so can we move on please)
I havent griefed else where, that was the only time I have.
Oh, really... ?
(http://s3.postimg.org/ybhmw4w2b/2014_11_20_19_12_55.png)
(http://s3.postimg.org/3wq9561qr/2014_11_20_19_13_06.png)
(http://s3.postimg.org/9ji0owevn/2014_11_20_19_13_39.png)
Do they all look like potatoes?
Also, going back to what you said in-game:
[16:05:46] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] richgotya: well least the thing is you know what it feels like o be griefed..
[16:06:07] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 85/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: Oh I already have been griefed 4 times
[16:06:19] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 95/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: know the feeling
[16:06:51] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 85/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: Nor Have i ever griefed so... its good
[16:07:01] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] Migas_: Yes you have griefed, liar.
[16:07:02] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] richgotya: you never have griefed?
[16:07:05] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] richgotya: >_>
[16:07:07] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 85/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: nope
[16:07:14] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 87/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: my IP has yes
[16:07:18] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] richgotya: i just rolled you back 2 days ago for it
[16:07:22] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 87/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: mmm your mistaken
[16:07:27] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] Migas_: Oh? So your account is compromised?
[16:07:29] [Server thread/INFO]: [G][HAND|SOME] [Admin] richgotya: Am i?
[16:07:30] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 87/INFO]: [G][M] AlexChar: that was infact my cous
[16:07:39] [Server thread/INFO]: migas94 issued server command: /ban AlexChar Account compromised
These screenshots I show above are the rollback Rich talked about. Therefore, I think this pretty much explains how idiotic you are. Do you have anything else to add to your lie jar?
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Ive never destroyed those....... mmmmmm
never been there ever
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If you maintain (As you have) that you never greifed, then the only logical conclusion is that your account is compromised.
Ive never destroyed those....... mmmmmm
never been there ever
Do I need to say anything else? Next time when a staff member is trying to protect your account from being compromised, do not act like a moron to them.
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Glad the issue is sorted, Next time Id appreciate it if you didnt keep insulting me nor jump into an discussion without listening to myself.
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since this is all sorted, I can happily apply for Senior member with no troubles yes ;)? ;D 8) 8) ;)
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You will remain banned until you apologize to migas, and really... anyone else you offended with this whole thing.
And I mean, Really apologize. You just had 4 people try to explain to you what happened, and you blatantly and with no regard for the possibility that you could be incorrect lashed out at those trying to help you.
Migas safeguarded your account, as per our policy. You lashed out at him for doing so.
Even your post title was insulting. You started the name calling with the first shot "Foolish/Childish behavior on(typo?) a mod/admin"
So when you decide your willing to grow up, admit that you were wrong, and apologize for your... outlandish arogance, then I will see about unbanning you. No one else will say anything here until you do.
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More than happy to apologise, the situation came about as we've had communication issues where were all talking about different things.
What I have said is the truth and i have acted in the best and a reasonable way regarding it.
The way some of your admins/Mods have spoken to me is even more disrespectful than what I have said, therefore I believe I not only deserve a clean start or review but an apology for you side, as the insults have made this simple situation messy.
So I apologise for saying 'foolish/childish behaviour' that was based on the point you didnt listen to me about the ( IP issue and cousin etc....)
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That is the most backhanded apology I have ever heard.
Denied.
If you wont step back from the situation to look at it from all perspectives then you do not belong in our community.
Skype: Fedgar_Lurch
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There is no communications issue YOUR ACCOUNT griefed as the ss's supplied show you repeat in denying ever griefed so you agree to 1 of 2 things
1) You did grief
2) your account was compromised
so what is it? And i will pull logs from the date in question if you continue lying and grab your ip and port used to connect
You will get nothing from us. Depending on your answer. You may not be able to return. So speak the truth boy. I am not going to play games.
Then, you will apologize. For everyone reading this, and conversing here. Because you wasted all of our times. Because you could not follow rules. Then further lying on top of this.
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- In-game name:
AlexChar
- Date and time of ban? (Include Timezone):
cant rememeber
- Which Staff member banned you? (Blank if you do not know)
unknown
- Why were you banned? (What Appears on your ban message)
misunderstanding
- Were you previously jailed or muted? (If yes, say why)
once, misclicking a potato harvest
- Why should you be unbanned?
No i do, I thank you for blocking my account to prevent the person or whoever it is who griefed from abusing my account.
and I apologise for a pain towards you as I was unaware of this suspicion ( only found out 2 posts ago)
but calling someone idiotic is unacceptable
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There is no communications issue YOUR ACCOUNT griefed as the ss's supplied show you repeat in denying ever griefed so you agree to 1 of 2 things
1) You did grief
2) your account was compromised
so what is it? And i will pull logs from the date in question if you continue lying and grab your ip and port used to connect
You will get nothing from us. Depending on your answer. You may not be able to return. So speak the truth boy. I am not going to play games.
Then, you will apologize. For everyone reading this, and conversing here. Because you wasted all of our times. Because you could not follow rules. Then further lying on top of this.
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I havent griefed, only so called grief ive done is the potato harvest.... im unaware of this other
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Yes you did. As the screenshots show. Your account did that. Who is repsonsible for your account? You. Therefore you griefed.
Nothing can be more simple than that. Either your are being intentionally dim, or you are not bright enough to play here with us. So which is it?
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well as i have just said. I did not, do that grief. yes it shows it was me ( my account) but I was not the one playing at the time of that event so.... Im not sure
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No see, like I said, and like the rules of the server maintain. You are responsible for the actions taken on your account. Since after I just explained that to you, you still dont want to accept responsibility. (Which would have allowed you to come back) You are hereby permanently banned with no hope of appeal.
Best of luck to you in whatever other server you end up on.
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I pulled logs. Funny you and your cousin both were online. Griefing same place so.. if it was not you was not him who else has access to your account?
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what date/time ?
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(http://s3.postimg.org/ybhmw4w2b/2014_11_20_19_12_55.png)
(http://s3.postimg.org/3wq9561qr/2014_11_20_19_13_06.png)
(http://s3.postimg.org/9ji0owevn/2014_11_20_19_13_39.png)
October 31.
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3 weeks tomorrow...
no idea, cant remember that far back hahahah
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Sure, apologises to everyone who got involved the issue shouldve been stopped when i was online rather spiralling out of control.
all of this stuff is new to me, so I couldnt of done anything differently whichout being told sooner.
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How is it new to you...? Are you still claiming some one gained access to your account? Then you and your cousin went greifing same house? While using your same ip?
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This stage 2, i think is a waste of time, rather teaching AlexChar to be a grown man/lady (idk gender sorry) it will be better for all of us not to continue this apeal
it is not healthy being such ungrateful person, just find another server, the main feature of this server is that IS A MATURITY SERVER, all Admins + have a lot of experience with worst issues here
and it is still questioning the issue, please, there are better places to grief than this server. That is my opinion. Sorry for this intruding.
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no offence to anybody and I don't really buy alexchar's tone and method on doing this appeal. But one thing from him I do agree, seeing all the ban appeals recently, I personally feel that there are a lot of miscommunications going on this server. I am not saying that admins are not doing things in a correct way, just that sometimes (not always), admins bans people to quickly , No offences. I think people deserves to explain themselves for a little bit before being banned. A method I have seen on other servers, which I also suggest (but it will cost admins a little bit of time), is that players who are suspected to break rules are frozen by a plugin (he/she could not move, as if he/she haven't logged in), or we could do jail. Then the admins/mods go and ask them questions about what they did. (Ofcoz if they didn't cooperate on answering, it would be a ban). I proposed that we could go through this process before banning players rather than banning half way through asking questions or even not at all. I am not sure if this is the correct place to post this thing, if not, I appologize and please direct me to post on the suitable board.
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We do question, jail, and freeze players as needed.
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We do question, jail, and freeze players as needed.
We do not ban people without any valid reason too. We give them screenshots if needed. We ask them their motive most of the times. The only instant bans we do is when people decide to advertise / are disrespectful / do massive griefs / their account might be compromised (this last one for prevention). I do not understand your comment since we listen to people when it's pertinent and always ban them with valid reasons.
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no offence to anybody and I don't really buy alexchar's tone and method on doing this appeal. But one thing from him I do agree, seeing all the ban appeals recently, I personally feel that there are a lot of miscommunications going on this server. I am not saying that admins are not doing things in a correct way, just that sometimes (not always), admins bans people to quickly , No offences. I think people deserves to explain themselves for a little bit before being banned. A method I have seen on other servers, which I also suggest (but it will cost admins a little bit of time), is that players who are suspected to break rules are frozen by a plugin (he/she could not move, as if he/she haven't logged in), or we could do jail. Then the admins/mods go and ask them questions about what they did. (Ofcoz if they didn't cooperate on answering, it would be a ban). I proposed that we could go through this process before banning players rather than banning half way through asking questions or even not at all. I am not sure if this is the correct place to post this thing, if not, I appologize and please direct me to post on the suitable board.
Just because there are a bunch of people getting banned doesn't mean it's staff's fault for "miscommunicating" ..no..it's a sign that there are just a bunch of people on whom are breaking the rules.
Also, I find it rather insulting that you suggest that we don't question or jail people before we ban them, and actually, what you said about how we should use a freeze plugin and what not, yeah we already do that and have been doing it for a long long time. Also, in regards to what I just said, we have to be thorough before we punish/question..we have to get facts and data about a situation, and then go from there, so we're already spending some time before we ban or punish.
I understand that anyone below mod rank usually doesn't know what we do behind closed doors, but trust me, we do quite a bit of paper work, data searching, and stalking to keep things around here going smoothly. Mya..perhaps if you were on during our investigations you might have noted that we do question, and usually very thoroughly. If anything, we have to be extremely careful about what we do..because we're often scrutinized the hardest..and while I don't mind that, I do however mind someone suggesting that any of staff doesn't get their facts before they go to punish or question.
Furthermore, the only times we've just outright banned tends to be when people are advertizing, multiaccounting to try and overload the server, multiaccounting to impersonate staff/other people, massive griefs, account compromised, bigotry, blatant disrespect, and jail/mute evading. For all others we get our facts and then proceed to punish/question from there, depending on what the problem is. So, in the future, do keep in mind that we never unfairly ban someone, we do it for a reason and we ALWAYS have evidence to back up our decisions.
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I apologise for coming across so negatively, I got caught up in the discussion.
I just wanted to state, I believe we've had miscommunication throughout bringing out the worst.
I was unaware of the changing in topics (throughout yesterday I wasnt talking about what youse had thought, i was talking about the potatoes and my cousin)
so once again, I deeply apologise to those who got brought into this miscommunicated discussion.
I wish you all best,
King Regards
AlexChar.
:D
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no offence to anybody and I don't really buy alexchar's tone and method on doing this appeal. But one thing from him I do agree, seeing all the ban appeals recently, I personally feel that there are a lot of miscommunications going on this server. I am not saying that admins are not doing things in a correct way, just that sometimes (not always), admins bans people to quickly , No offences. I think people deserves to explain themselves for a little bit before being banned. A method I have seen on other servers, which I also suggest (but it will cost admins a little bit of time), is that players who are suspected to break rules are frozen by a plugin (he/she could not move, as if he/she haven't logged in), or we could do jail. Then the admins/mods go and ask them questions about what they did. (Ofcoz if they didn't cooperate on answering, it would be a ban). I proposed that we could go through this process before banning players rather than banning half way through asking questions or even not at all. I am not sure if this is the correct place to post this thing, if not, I appologize and please direct me to post on the suitable board.
No, offense to any one? You accuse us for banning over zealously? We never ban with out hard proof and reason. We have many forms of punishment.
How dare you have the audacity to accuse our staff of banning "to quickly".
You sir are not staff. You do not see all of the conversations we have, discussing the matter. So you can keep your mouth SHUT and out of matters that do not concern you.