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Title: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: xXCRYMINALXx on March 06, 2014, 10:32:56 PM
Recently, I had been thinking, and had the idea for another map. Now this map idea is a simple one, but it can bring us more players and increase our server population. I am unaware if this idea had been brought forth once before and had already been shot down or not, so forgive me if that is the case.


Raidlands

The idea behind this is fairly simple.
Players are capable of creating a faction and with said facton,
are able to raid ANYONE, nothing can be protected, nor locked.
So the key to success in this type of gameplay is to make a strong alliance.
Now this does mean that griefing will be a welcomed idea in this map alone,
and we cannot stress that enough. But I think alot of players enjoy the
faction style of gameplay, and if we add this idea, it could generate a larger playerbase.

Feel free to post here any concerns or comments about this idea so we can possibly make this a reality.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Migas on March 06, 2014, 11:11:53 PM
I have no idea if that is going to work well =/.

I think It will unbalance the "peace" in the server by bringing  those standardized kids that would only bring trouble.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Varun aka eoyvideoteam on March 06, 2014, 11:23:34 PM
I think that Cryminal is right, this is a very interesting and cool idea, and it would bring in new players to the server. However there a a few things which may need to discuss, like maybe some sort of rules, and if there are any, then we would need to have moderators on that world, which shouldn't be a problem. Also, a bit of my input, I don't know how the faction thing will work, but there would need to be a considerable amount of people in a faction to have any sort of game-play as you suggest we should have. Maybe a minimum number of people required in a faction would solve that problem, say, 5?
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Shiiftyy on March 06, 2014, 11:36:33 PM
I think this would be a great idea! I think it would be cool to have a secret base and try to attack other players, I think it could be a great addition!
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Varun aka eoyvideoteam on March 07, 2014, 12:41:11 AM
I have no idea if that is going to work well =/.

I think It will unbalance the "peace" in the server by bringing  those standardized kids that would only bring trouble.
I see the dilemma there, but I think that with the quality staff we have here, we can make it perfectly clear that Raidlands is the ONLY area where griefing and raiding is allowed, and I think we can be sure to enforce this rule. Altering the server rules a bit may also be required, but overall, it should bring more people into the server. Also, if they seem to be causing problems in the "normal" area of the server, we could also "ban" them from that area and restrict them to only the Raidlands area (this is just a suggestion).
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Kamikoize on March 07, 2014, 01:06:03 AM
I like this idea, and although it does have flaws that other people have mentioned, I just hope that if this idea is a big hit that we don't forgot about our first Survival Towny world.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: ninja5132 on March 07, 2014, 01:08:59 AM
Maybe if we do decide to do this, we make it available to sm+ first to test for flaws?
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: xXCRYMINALXx on March 07, 2014, 02:46:27 AM
I have to say so far I love all the feedback and idea's and I've decided to delve a little into how I think it can be set up for optimal playing and enjoyment.


Of course there may some idea's I'm missing, but this is a list of whats been stated, as well as a few other things.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Richgotya on March 07, 2014, 02:25:36 PM
im not a fan of griefing so any comments for this would be negative and if people start using the excuse "i thought i was in the griefing world" rich would lose his marbles
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Fedgar_Lurch on March 07, 2014, 02:32:10 PM
Fedgar isnt sure he is okay with this either. I may be jaded. But I see a huge amount of issues. Ranging from rules breaking, new plugins (some of which will have to be created just for this). The people "accidentally" greifing in the wrong world. Ect

Im also not sure about why people play in a greifing server. Simply because there is no reason to build since anyone can dig through walls in just seconds. Its not like if you build a wall out of stone bricks and it was actually a pain in the ass to dig threw it. Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.

Keep the feedback coming though. Id like to see what people say.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Varun aka eoyvideoteam on March 07, 2014, 03:21:34 PM
Yeah, I see the problem with that, but I think that we could enforce that the rules for Raidlands and the normal world are different, and that there is absolutely no excuse for not knowing the difference.
Also along the ideas of griefing, I'm sure that most people would not build right out in the open, and the members of each of the factions would try to hide their base making it a lot harder to "grief".
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Debu on March 07, 2014, 04:35:49 PM
I don't really feel its a good idea caz, yea as fed mentioned, "Accidental" greifing in the wrong world. Also it would kind of destroy the [Peace] in our server, 'most' of us are peace loving and don't really want people cursing all the time. Trust me, I've gone to servers like that and the type of kids u see playing there, makes me feel uneasy...

What we could do about this thing is that totally create a different server-ish world, which will have 'NO' connection to the normal pern world (NOT EVEN THE CHAT). Multiverse allows stuff like that, but takes some good configuration; we have [rich] (though not sure if his laziness will overpower the attempt to create a different world)

Still, I would never play on that world... I don't want every other guy sneaking up to me, taking my stuff, running away ;-;

Also along the ideas of griefing, I'm sure that most people would not build right out in the open, and the members of each of the factions would try to hide their base making it a lot harder to "grief".

When most of the people are looking for bases, hiding it is quite hard too, people can just use the 'Piston trick' or branch mine every other location.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Varun aka eoyvideoteam on March 07, 2014, 06:10:27 PM
I don't really feel its a good idea caz, yea as fed mentioned, "Accidental" greifing in the wrong world. Also it would kind of destroy the [Peace] in our server, 'most' of us are peace loving and don't really want people cursing all the time. Trust me, I've gone to servers like that and the type of kids u see playing there, makes me feel uneasy...

What we could do about this thing is that totally create a different server-ish world, which will have 'NO' connection to the normal pern world (NOT EVEN THE CHAT). Multiverse allows stuff like that, but takes some good configuration; we have [rich] (though not sure if his laziness will overpower the attempt to create a different world)

Still, I would never play on that world... I don't want every other guy sneaking up to me, taking my stuff, running away ;-;

Also along the ideas of griefing, I'm sure that most people would not build right out in the open, and the members of each of the factions would try to hide their base making it a lot harder to "grief".

When most of the people are looking for bases, hiding it is quite hard too, people can just use the 'Piston trick' or branch mine every other location.
I think that the piston glitch was fixed recently, although I'm not sure of that.
Good idea for the chat channel, that probably will become necessary, but about the accidental griefing part, there are no excuses for that, and even if that became an excuse, we would and should punish as we normally do.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Debu on March 07, 2014, 06:20:15 PM
the piston trick isnt a glitch... a piston can normally push upto 12 blocks... meaning a 12 block radius to raiders. You should just keep the two servers separate... separate servers; separate admins... I belive all that work would be 'too' much for our admins... I'm talking, keeping rich in mind ;D
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Varun aka eoyvideoteam on March 07, 2014, 07:22:23 PM
the piston trick isnt a glitch... a piston can normally push upto 12 blocks... meaning a 12 block radius to raiders. You should just keep the two servers separate... separate servers; separate admins... I belive all that work would be 'too' much for our admins... I'm talking, keeping rich in mind ;D
Now if you talk in those terms like completely seperate server's, then that opens a whole new door of problems, including an extra irl expense for Fedgar, which I'm sure he would like to avoid.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: xXCRYMINALXx on March 07, 2014, 07:59:01 PM
Fedgar, I understand your concerns, but the key to a successful factionbase is walls of obsidian, lava moats, and water on the outsides of the obsidian wall. Those elements make the wall nearly impossible to break. and perhaps we can make a message that pops up in world changes stating "This world does NOT permit grief." and "This world is the Raidlands, there is HEAVY PvP and grief."

Just some idea's to that.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Meteora on March 07, 2014, 09:26:59 PM
MWAHAHAHAAAAAAA I really want this! I really hope debu will show up there from time to time..  ;D
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Richgotya on March 07, 2014, 09:59:04 PM
the piston trick isnt a glitch... a piston can normally push upto 12 blocks... meaning a 12 block radius to raiders. You should just keep the two servers separate... separate servers; separate admins... I belive all that work would be 'too' much for our admins... I'm talking, keeping rich in mind ;D


debu dosnt realize the glitch and it was fixed for most part and has nothing to do with pushing more then 1 block >_> there is still ways to do it tho





im still against it for my previous reasons and concerns this is too far away from are element and would be too confusing hell the kids cant even read the rules now and you expect people to tell the difference in worlds and then listen to all the kids whine ect when they are killed or griefed >_> nope nope nope rich will do no part in setting it up just... nope so that being said eather u get fed or migas aboard or this is just something that is not going to happen
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Varun aka eoyvideoteam on March 08, 2014, 12:31:11 AM
the piston trick isnt a glitch... a piston can normally push upto 12 blocks... meaning a 12 block radius to raiders. You should just keep the two servers separate... separate servers; separate admins... I belive all that work would be 'too' much for our admins... I'm talking, keeping rich in mind ;D


debu dosnt realize the glitch and it was fixed for most part and has nothing to do with pushing more then 1 block >_> there is still ways to do it tho





im still against it for my previous reasons and concerns this is too far away from are element and would be too confusing hell the kids cant even read the rules now and you expect people to tell the difference in worlds and then listen to all the kids whine ect when they are killed or griefed >_> nope nope nope rich will do no part in setting it up just... nope so that being said eather u get fed or migas aboard or this is just something that is not going to happen
So much for democracy around here ;D
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Migas on March 08, 2014, 12:57:28 AM
I think the server would lose stability with this and I agree with Rich. We have always denied griefing and introducing a griefing world would be very confusing and lot of players would start making excuses on their jails saying they thought it was the other.

Thanks for suggesting the idea but in my opinion it is not good for our server.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Shiiftyy on March 08, 2014, 03:01:15 AM
I completely agree with Migas and Rich. But I also think that it would be a good way for players to release some "steam" if you will.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Debu on March 08, 2014, 04:24:45 AM
I completely agree with Migas and Rich. But I also think that it would be a good way for players to release some "steam" if you will.

1. Make a singleplayer world,
2. /gamemode 1
3. grab tnt place it everywhere
4. light the fuse and all ur 'steam' is gone.

^^^
I really do that when I'm angry 0.o?
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: SpaceLemons on March 08, 2014, 11:46:46 AM
I like that idea just dont think its gonna work for THIS TYPE of server either staff.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: SlackGuitar on March 08, 2014, 01:09:52 PM
I would love this game play but the problems it would cause would be a lot =/
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Mcbeen on March 08, 2014, 01:13:14 PM
the old server i was on had multi world and it made it lag like crazy so we got rid of it also doing server resets can take much longer 
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Fedgar_Lurch on March 08, 2014, 03:29:21 PM
It is a democracy, among the triumvirate. We try and hear what everyone wants and do what we can to accommodate. But without an overwhelming positive response I see no reason to move forward with this.

Honestly we talked this over in the very early days of SC and we decided for the same reason that this was not really for us. Many of the players who come here, do so to get away from the ...assholishness that comes to most faction servers. Not saying that would happen here. But its not something I think we should risk.

Please keep the ideas like this flowing. You never know, even if we don't accept an idea at face, it might inspire us in some other way.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Varun aka eoyvideoteam on March 08, 2014, 03:51:56 PM
Another idea I had along with this is that, we could make this area for only sm+ and donators. That way we will be able to satisfy the want for such a world, while also keeping it under control and not having the issues of spammy kids. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Debu on March 08, 2014, 04:06:15 PM
Another idea I had along with this is that, we could make this area for only sm+ and donators. That way we will be able to satisfy the want for such a world, while also keeping it under control and not having the issues of spammy kids. Thoughts?

how many people are senior members and want to get raided or raid? How many people who don't even stay on the server caz its not a faction server, even DONATE to get a donation rank? Just wont work out...
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Varun aka eoyvideoteam on March 08, 2014, 07:23:11 PM
Another idea I had along with this is that, we could make this area for only sm+ and donators. That way we will be able to satisfy the want for such a world, while also keeping it under control and not having the issues of spammy kids. Thoughts?

how many people are senior members and want to get raided or raid? How many people who don't even stay on the server caz its not a faction server, even DONATE to get a donation rank? Just wont work out...
Umm... We have quite a few members who are donators and senior members who have expressed their thoughts on this idea, and besides, it is definitely worth a try as shutting it down won't prove any of your points that you have mentioned.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Debu on March 09, 2014, 02:33:45 PM
Another idea I had along with this is that, we could make this area for only sm+ and donators. That way we will be able to satisfy the want for such a world, while also keeping it under control and not having the issues of spammy kids. Thoughts?

how many people are senior members and want to get raided or raid? How many people who don't even stay on the server caz its not a faction server, even DONATE to get a donation rank? Just wont work out...
Umm... We have quite a few members who are donators and senior members who have expressed their thoughts on this idea, and besides, it is definitely worth a try as shutting it down won't prove any of your points that you have mentioned.

I just can't picture people, who stayed calm and followed rules to become raiders 0.o
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Varun aka eoyvideoteam on March 09, 2014, 03:33:07 PM
It's a game Debu; now and then 'tis ok if we have a little fun!
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: SpaceLemons on March 09, 2014, 07:42:41 PM
Another idea I had along with this is that, we could make this area for only sm+ and donators. That way we will be able to satisfy the want for such a world, while also keeping it under control and not having the issues of spammy kids. Thoughts?

When you say SM+ I kinda...like....you know....RAGE THAT IM NOT SM!!!

J/K >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Farmer on March 09, 2014, 08:49:42 PM
that mean i can't building some big project ? , because player can destroy that and ride me
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Richgotya on March 09, 2014, 09:39:41 PM
that mean i can't building some big project ? , because player can destroy that and ride me

no farmer this was talk about another world it is not going to happen tho so dont worry your stuff is and always will be safe where you have it
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Farmer on March 09, 2014, 11:01:53 PM
tnx Rich for info :)
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Varun aka eoyvideoteam on March 10, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
So is there any final verdict on this? Are we going to make a sm+ thing, or are we just going to cancel the project altogether?
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Fedgar_Lurch on March 10, 2014, 08:17:08 PM
Someone Sum up what you guys would like to see. I will give it a final review and see how feasible it is. But as it stands its a no from all three of us.

Id like to revist the idea of a new world with a different kind of game play. Im fine with that part. But this seems like alot to do with the limited resources we have.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Richgotya on March 10, 2014, 10:24:19 PM
1 can we have a griefing world - yes if we chose too

THERE WILL BE NO factions no towny - no way to protect things

 it will be chaos.

there will be a limit on map size say 5k ish fair?

 there will be no lwc

chat will be off from main world and there will be rules you agree to by going there

all explosions will be enabled.

MCMMO would be iffy eather it  would be full on or just disabled.

Nether would be a 5k map if we enabled it and i dont think we would enable the end as people could set home there blah blah

there would be no form of shops no ess trade signs or any form of ess signs

deaths there might be costly maybe have a default value that would also make players go negative if they had no money and maybe a temp ban of 3 days if you go so below

enderchests would be disabled

there would be chat rules racism offensive language harassment will never be tolerated if we did it

there would be no flying no disguises no goign to mini games while there

any one found hacking xraying using any mods while there or multi accounting would get a ban right off. there will be no jail.

we would hold the option to reset the map at any time with out warning.

as you can tell this is a big list and prolly alot more that would need to be added this is richs fairest opinion on this game style

tho he hates the idea of it



Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Varun aka eoyvideoteam on March 10, 2014, 10:32:17 PM
1 can we have a griefing world - yes if we chose too

THERE WILL BE NO factions no towny - no way to protect things

 it will be chaos.

there will be a limit on map size say 5k ish fair?

 there will be no lwc

chat will be off from main world and there will be rules you agree to by going there

all explosions will be enabled.

MCMMO would be iffy eather it  would be full on or just disabled.

Nether would be a 5k map if we enabled it and i dont think we would enable the end as people could set home there blah blah

there would be no form of shops no ess trade signs or any form of ess signs

deaths there might be costly maybe have a default value that would also make players go negative if they had no money and maybe a temp ban of 3 days if you go so below

enderchests would be disabled

there would be chat rules racism offensive language harassment will never be tolerated if we did it

there would be no flying no disguises no goign to mini games while there

any one found hacking xraying using any mods while there or multi accounting would get a ban right off. there will be no jail.

we would hold the option to reset the map at any time with out warning.

as you can tell this is a big list and prolly alot more that would need to be added this is richs fairest opinion on this game style

tho he hates the idea of it
I think that this is a good list, but I have one question. If there are no shops or trading signs, and there are penalties for deaths, how are you supposed to make money? Does it take money from the "normal" world?
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Richgotya on March 10, 2014, 10:37:51 PM
exactly
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Varun aka eoyvideoteam on March 11, 2014, 12:31:46 AM
Lol rich, I was kind of hoping that you would answer that question...
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: roxeclipsmoon on March 11, 2014, 04:49:19 AM
i think its a great a idea but the tnt not really (tnt makes everything chaos ) and i think that it would be better there would be a warning before u enter the raid land :D
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Richgotya on March 11, 2014, 11:38:45 AM
oh rox you are one of the reasons i object to this...
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: SlackGuitar on March 11, 2014, 06:36:06 PM
oh rox you are one of the reasons i object to this...
oh lol :P
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: roxeclipsmoon on March 12, 2014, 05:41:54 AM
really :/ is that really nessesary to say XD
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Haylea on March 13, 2014, 05:41:56 AM
I personally used to play on a lot of faction raiding servers, and tend to think of this server as a nice relaxed friendly community. I'm not entirely convinced this would be a good addition to the server as it goes against the main ideology of a towny server. I think that it will most likely fizzle out a few weeks after it is implemented but that is just my own opinion. If the majority of the server wants to try it out then by all means, but I personally don't want to see what a heavy pvp setting would do to a friendly environment.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Fedgar_Lurch on March 13, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
The majority of the server doesn't want to though. Or atleast not the required 2/3 margin. So no worries. We will not be implementing it.
Title: Re: Another gameplay mode suggestion!
Post by: Varun aka eoyvideoteam on March 13, 2014, 11:27:41 PM
Alright then, I will lock the voting and the poll.