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Server Stuff => Feature/Plugin Requests => Topic started by: IrParadox on March 15, 2014, 04:36:02 AM
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I have seen this used on Prison servers before for renting cells. I think it would be great to use this plugin with a shop booth type of idea. What it allows is for a specified region to be rented for a set number of days. This would have to be handled from the top as there is no way to manipulate the plugin for every user to change it. What it would do is allow for a user to rent the shop area and sell their items so long as they are paying the rent. I think this would be great for a shopping center like a flea market or mall. I know that there are already many shops withing the server but this has always been an interesting idea in keeping a stable and competitive economy. If each user was gave enough space to cell maybe 10 items and only allowed one booth, this would allow to have a system of multiple venders without large shops which cause lag.
Here is the link to Bukkit page: http://dev.bukkit.org/bukkit-plugins/simple-region-market/
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I have seen this used on Prison servers before for renting cells. I think it would be great to use this plugin with a shop booth type of idea. What it allows is for a specified region to be rented for a set number of days. This would have to be handled from the top as there is no way to manipulate the plugin for every user to change it. What it would do is allow for a user to rent the shop area and sell their items so long as they are paying the rent. I think this would be great for a shopping center like a flea market or mall. I know that there are already many shops withing the server but this has always been an interesting idea in keeping a stable and competitive economy. If each user was gave enough space to cell maybe 10 items and only allowed one booth, this would allow to have a system of multiple venders without large shops which cause lag.
Here is the link to Bukkit page: http://dev.bukkit.org/bukkit-plugins/simple-region-market/
I saw this on Lavacraft. They had a thing where it was a big market for players. Players sold their stuff and would be allowed 7 days. Paid 500 dollars in-game money, allowed the plot for 7 days then it reset and you had to get your items out before then. You had a warp to go to it thought it it was easy to get too.
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doesnt the bazzar do the same thing? It sells u a plot and charges tax on a daily basis, don't pay and u lose ur plot.
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doesnt the bazzar do the same thing? It sells u a plot and charges tax on a daily basis, don't pay and u lose ur plot.
I think with the plugin you are allowed to set the number of days that you can rent the shop, so its a lot more automated than the towny system of shops.
I'm not exactly sure on how I feel on this plugin; I think its a good plugin, but I don't think it "fits" with our server.
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this is going to create 'Havoc' in the server caz the chests get removed after some 7 days right? u dont want people 'accidentally' forgetting to renew their subscription >_>
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I think we should stick with the informal user regulated system we have based on Towny. People (like debu) can create market sections and people can purchase shops there. That way you don't have set time limits that could end up with you losing your items, and you have the choice of different market places, if you don't like the price... Go somewhere with better prices.
I have been waiting for someone to come up with a really good market place for a while but it doesn't seem to be coming to pass. Maybe I will have to dust off my old Towny gloves *cracks knuckles*
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Actually with this plugin you can rent a space for as long as you want. Lets say the space is 100 dollars for 7 days, you just click the sign for how many 7 day segments you want to rent it for and thats how long you have. Say you want it for 2 weeks, you click it twice. You want it for a month you click it 4 times. And if you ever decide you want it for longer you just go back to it and click some more, so long as you have the cash to do so. The problem with entire towns being set up as shops is it causes a lot of lag having that much going on in one place. This will still give the market option of going elsewhere and buying goods. As each vendor would not be regulated on what they sell. So if one shop does not have the price you want, go down the way and find one that does. It would cause more competition from vendor to vendor but it would also end with having more of a set value on goods. I am working on a small mall in my town, but as it goes with it, only my assistants and myself can sell items. I am setting it up in a themed booth fashion. But even with its size it will not be a sufficient shopping center for all your needs. My assistants have specialties but when it comes down to having everything in a compact area to reduce lag, that I can not do with just me and my assistants. Would a mall with rented booths possibly put me and others out of business? Maybe, but we too could always rent a booth.
In some cases with such a plugin in use, we could see as many as 6 to 10 vendors selling on one single plot. And that is where the value of such a plugin comes in handy. You could create quite a massive mall with multiple floors within a 5x3 plot area with a large walkway and possible small kiosks along the walk way.
Building time would be extensive, but it would give a whole new experience to the players and allow them to have more control over the economy in the game.
This plugin could be used for other things as well. Such as renting out mining plots that could be reset after a set number of days. Creating entire factories out of the ability to set these plots up. Glass factories, stone factories, mining facilities. The possibilities are endless. And this could even go into other twists. Maybe a small town with apartments and houses for new players to rent while raising the money and material to build their own homes or towns. And as time goes on, you will find people coming to the server that just don't like to build so they would be perfect candidates for long term housing in these rental areas. So, yeah, this plugin expands far beyond just the use of shop booths and prison cells.
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I think we should stick with the informal user regulated system we have based on Towny. People (like debu) can create market sections and people can purchase shops there. That way you don't have set time limits that could end up with you losing your items, and you have the choice of different market places, if you don't like the price... Go somewhere with better prices.
I have been waiting for someone to come up with a really good market place for a while but it doesn't seem to be coming to pass. Maybe I will have to dust off my old Towny gloves *cracks knuckles*
The problem about the Bazzar is that people don't know about it. I've seen at least 10 people asking if there was a playershop marketplace, they have been there playing on the server for say the last 2 weeks or so. People like Timekeeper earlier did use to promote the Bazzar but ever since he removed his plot their he doesn't care if people get to it or not.
I can't really build the Bazzar on my own. I have Noahz with me to handle stuff but the thing is that we rarely get online at the same time to discuss about new plots or stuff.
The taxes are crucial for the function of our town, but I think I'm lowering it down to $5 instead of $15. People who know about the Bazzar don't want to spend their 'PRECIOUS' $20 tping there, I can't help it... I've seen people saying: 'WTF! This Bazzar thinggy of urs cost me my $20...'
Actually with this plugin you can rent a space for as long as you want. Lets say the space is 100 dollars for 7 days, you just click the sign for how many 7 day segments you want to rent it for and thats how long you have. Say you want it for 2 weeks, you click it twice. You want it for a month you click it 4 times. And if you ever decide you want it for longer you just go back to it and click some more, so long as you have the cash to do so. The problem with entire towns being set up as shops is it causes a lot of lag having that much going on in one place. This will still give the market option of going elsewhere and buying goods. As each vendor would not be regulated on what they sell. So if one shop does not have the price you want, go down the way and find one that does. It would cause more competition from vendor to vendor but it would also end with having more of a set value on goods. I am working on a small mall in my town, but as it goes with it, only my assistants and myself can sell items. I am setting it up in a themed booth fashion. But even with its size it will not be a sufficient shopping center for all your needs. My assistants have specialties but when it comes down to having everything in a compact area to reduce lag, that I can not do with just me and my assistants. Would a mall with rented booths possibly put me and others out of business? Maybe, but we too could always rent a booth.
In some cases with such a plugin in use, we could see as many as 6 to 10 vendors selling on one single plot. And that is where the value of such a plugin comes in handy. You could create quite a massive mall with multiple floors within a 5x3 plot area with a large walkway and possible small kiosks along the walk way.
Building time would be extensive, but it would give a whole new experience to the players and allow them to have more control over the economy in the game.
This plugin could be used for other things as well. Such as renting out mining plots that could be reset after a set number of days. Creating entire factories out of the ability to set these plots up. Glass factories, stone factories, mining facilities. The possibilities are endless. And this could even go into other twists. Maybe a small town with apartments and houses for new players to rent while raising the money and material to build their own homes or towns. And as time goes on, you will find people coming to the server that just don't like to build so they would be perfect candidates for long term housing in these rental areas. So, yeah, this plugin expands far beyond just the use of shop booths and prison cells.
looks like even you don't know about the Bazzar? The Bazzar is a town-player shop project run by me. It sells players plots without making them join the town and they make their shops there at the plot. There are many people selling many different stuff. Some sell beacons, some sell wither heads, some sell minerals, etc. To get to the Bazzar u have to do ' /t spawn bazzar ' I need to get some more time out for the Bazzar though.
Renting a place for as long as you want? Not quite what I expected, I'm sure there will be config to change that value, also what if people go for a long time? their plot gets sold away and what next?
This plugin requires w/e and w/g. Those two plugins can only be used by OP's and people with the proper permissions. So no u cant just set up, a area by ur self, and put it up for sale. Its probably gonna be hard for server admins to keep going and making and marking plots for you.
How can people buy a rent a area if they don't have money? We got pretty nice people on the server (such as myself xD) to show people around and get them to settle down. No ones having a 'Temp' home and they gonna shift. Most people would like to just settle down at a place and make a house there. If people were lazy (not as in 'Rich' Lazy), they wouldn't be playing Minecraft. The basic idea of MC is to survive. U can't just lie down somewhere and say I'm playing MC.
The mining idea is horrid, I mean I found diamonds here so I keep this chunk. so when it regens the diamonds will be at the exact same place. (Chunks are rendered depending upon the seed of the world, it always creates a same area regardless how many times u reset it)
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I have seen the bazzar. There is no listing to find what you need, shops are too large to know who has what. A single vendor on one plot could easily sell every item available by simply building up or down on the plot. It is a nice idea and all, but I have to turn all my settings down to go there. I get a lot of lag for some reason. Plus, the warp fee of the bazzar also keeps people away. Unless you are needing expensive items or large amounts, it is not worth it to travel to it. Just like the mall in my town, it will not be worth it for most anyone outside of town to shop there.
And yes, this would be an admin ran mall system, but once it is set up, it will run itself. And on the mining side of it, plots can be changed when they reset. That is how most prison servers are worked in their mines. It is always changing so you never know what will be where in the plot each time. Once someone has ended their rent in one of the booths, the signs will remove and the booth will reset.
These are just ideas that could be worked over if this plugin was used. It would put some extra work on the team here at first. But once it is set up it runs itself for the most part.
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All the things you have problem with with the current setup are things that can be fixed by competent management of player shops. Lots of advertising, good signage, warps, ect.
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Since my exams are over now I can concentrate on the BAZZAR > -> and we could sure use some donations <- <
So here is mt plan:
1| "Trying" to set up a warp sign at every town
2| Getting players to have a shop there
3| Asking a few people to promote the 'Bazzar'
4| If there is any way in which we could buy a warp sign at put it up at the /warproom
5| /suicide
6| What do u mean by Competent management :/ I am looking for workers at the bazzar :( I even made a post many days ago and also gave some perks with the position. But all people want is a 'Salary' which I can't really provide. Only Noahz is helping me keep the bazzar running.
7| Lowering the tax at the bazzar. (already lowered to $5 a day instead of $15)
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Hold on Fed, did you just suggest warps were available for use? That changes everything. What are the requirements to create a warp? If each shop in the Bazzar had its own warp, then Debu's setup would work great. I have played on a server that had warps for shops, but they were only available to mods and admins. So what does it take to set up a warp? If I could get a warp, I might even try setting up at the bazzar.
I still like my rentable booth idea.
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a warp sign is a basically a sign that when u click u get teleported ;w; we can't use /warp bazzar > ->
PS
> How did u read the text? <- <
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No see, the bazaar works well if you only have the /t spawn option. You build a nice well laid out spawn that has good signage to point you to the various shops.
Otherwise, you can build your shop anywhere you want and create warps to the one area.
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I have put up signs showing what type of shop they have such as my spruce plaza and Elle's Music shop :/
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Look, I'm pointing out the things your not doing well, and even going so far as to tell you how to do them correct. Which trust me, is far more than you get in the real world.
If you want to succeed you should probably take my advice instead of arguing/ excusing yourself.
If you don't want feedback, don't put yourself out there.
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Who said I don't want feed back? in fact I want feedback from everyone, maybe I did not really express it through my last post but is the sign like things what you want? But as u said that the bazzar runs properly if we have /t spawn bazzar but no ones willing to waste $20 tping here :/ that $20 is a lot of the bazzar as it totally runs on funds. I'll lay out the spawn a bit more and make it more friendly I guess. You could review it once again around a day or 2 later :)
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Who said I don't want feed back? in fact I want feedback from everyone, maybe I did not really express it through my last post but is the sign like things what you want? But as u said that the bazzar runs properly if we have /t spawn bazzar but no ones willing to waste $20 tping here :/ that $20 is a lot of the bazzar as it totally runs on funds. I'll lay out the spawn a bit more and make it more friendly I guess. You could review it once again around a day or 2 later :)
If you think that sustaining the town with daily upkeep is hard then you are wrong. Running on funds? Does that mean that you aren't donating any money whatsoever to your town bank? In that case you are being a bad mayor, because you cannot depend on town spawn teleporting, plot buying, and taxes to keep your town running.
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no I do donate to town :-\ its with the town money and donations that I get stuff like dirt for building extra plots etc.
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The thing is with towns is that you have to be prepared to put in a lot of your own personal money. All the money in the bank of Grizedale I have put in there myself. All of the materials for structures have been collected by myself my brothers and a few friends. You should never depend on taxes (which I don't have) or donations (as they are rare and mostly like $10). Towns are a huge deal, you can't just wing it.
Plus advertise. Buy an Embassy plot in each town, and tastefully, advertise.