Why this isn't a PvP Server

[Yeoldedogg]

Every instance that I've had a chance to PvP has been stopped or shunned by Admins.  I try to attack someone, they call admin and tell me to leave their area, what kind of bullshit is that.  I've had players TP to my town and try to attack me, that never get infractions against them, but the first time I do something even close to that...I get thrown in jail.  I've gotten Warped away twice while in legit pvp.  Forced to re-read the rules for no reason, as I fallow the rules as best as possible.  I have Mods hounding me warping to me when ever without reason, though I've had issues with their Town, pretty much looking for reasons to get me jailed or banned.

Why do you call this a PvP server?  PvP...player vs player, not Player vs Admins.  I've been forced twice now to seek peace or be Jailed/Banned/Temp Banned.  That in and of itself is total BS.  I declared war in open chat against two towns...get forced to Arena Battle and end it or get Temp Banned?  Yet this is a PvP server.

I call that the Server be switched over to Non-PvP, as almost every instance of PvP I've tried has been blocked/shunned/ or peace forced by Administration.  The rules make it almost impossible to have PvP anyway.  "Admin, tell him to leave my area", oh, hes now trespassing in the Wilderness.  Not in someones Town.  Twice!  Yet the first time I do it, nothing gets done to the player Trespassing?

You say no evading with commands...yet its ok for a Player to hit you...then run away to the safety of a Town so no pvp can happen.  You make arbitrary rulings and add new rules based on my plan of attack against another Town.  The rules state "TP Killing, e.g. Tping someone to you/vise versa, and killing them.", yet I TP to my /home XXXX and spy on someone, get attacked...then get warped away and attempted banning/jailing, when I didn't Kill anyone...nor did I start PvP.  You have a rule for no repeat killing, whats the point of having a server with pvp if someone pisses you off and you cant kill them again to get the point over.  So we can now only kill someone once and that it...or be jailed or banned?  I run away from combat when I was under TP cool down, but some how I'm taking damage, once away from the area I take flight and someone fires at me...making /fly PvP legal, yet I still get punished for this?  I have someone TP to me and then attempt to kill me...I kill them, but thats perfectly ok because the rule says they have to kill me...what kind of rule is that anyway?

This is the first Server I've been on.  So far its not making a good impression of what to expect from other PvP/MC Servers.  I stopped voting a while back for this reason.

Something really needs to be done here.  Calling it a PvP Server then pitting rules against it makes no sense.  Calling it a PvP Server, then forcing peace or be banned/Jailed/Temp Banned by Administration...thats not PvP...thats Dictatorship.  If we can't declare war, or PvP for that fact...why bother with PvP at all.  I say if you want to pvp just leave it in the arena or mini games and remove PvP from the Server.  Revamp death tax's to double and call it a day.

[Migas]

"Forced to re-read the rules for no reason, as I follow the rules as best as possible."

Seriously Yeolde, I made you read rules for no motive at all? You pvp while flying IS NOT allowed in most aspects since it's abuse of your VIP powers, and you call it legit pvp... Since you were stating the opposite as the rules say, I had to make you read rules, but apparently you still don't get it. Check them again please, specially the Donator Rules.

"I've gotten Warped away twice while in legit pvp."

You were teleported twice away from their homes/area. One of them you were not Pvp'ing at all and you were tresspassing his land and mining on their mines. He told you to leave, you had 20 seconds, I had to teleport you away. The second one was Chris who did it and you were flying while pvping, which we had to stop it since It is against the rules and you weren't stopping.

""Admin, tell him to leave my area", oh, hes now trespassing in the Wilderness.  Not in someones Town."

Tresspassing includes teleporting to other player's house or area that is in wilderness without permission.

"Yet the first time I do it, nothing gets done to the player Trespassing?"

Did the person teleported to you? I don't think so. He walked his way through the map to get you. As you can see on Server Rules, that rule is only for unwanted teleporting, It is legal to walk across the map to go to another's area. But make sure you don't grief in the process. Also he left after you warned him the second time, you have to give people a chance to read it, like how I gave you when jbergman asked you to leave twice from his mine, and you did not.

"You make arbitrary rulings and add new rules based on my plan of attack against another Town.  The rules state "TP Killing, e.g. Tping someone to you/vise versa, and killing them.", yet I TP to my /home XXXX and spy on someone, get attacked...then get warped away and attempted banning/jailing, when I didn't Kill anyone...nor did I start PvP."

What does teleport mean, Yeolde? Using /tpa or /tpahere to someone is just an example, it is stated e.g. on there. Setting a home and kill them is another example. But in that matter you state after, you were attacked on their base, they had to defend themselves. But yet, you didn't kill anyone, so you didn't break that rule. You were not teleported away by Staff due to that, as I said before, You were teleported away due to flying while pvping.
 
"I have someone TP to me and then attempt to kill me...I kill them, but thats perfectly ok because the rule says they have to kill me...what kind of rule is that anyway?"

What? I think you may got confused. He teleported to you and then he attacked, right? If he attacked you are able to defend yourself. Since it was for your own defense, you were not TP killing. If you started attacking him after he teleported for no reason at all, you would get punished for it.

"making /fly PvP legal, yet I still get punished for this?"

Using /fly during pvp IS NOT legal against people on the ground.

"I have Mods hounding me warping to me when ever without reason, though I've had issues with their Town, pretty much looking for reasons to get me jailed or banned."

It is the Moderators/Admins job to make sure everything goes peacefully on the server. Saying that they go to you without any reason, you're not getting the point. They have to go through EVERYONE and check if everything is okay.
For example, Today, I teleported to two people that were griefing an house. How would I know if they were griefing if I didn't teleport? We have to check it periodically.
However, If you get some problems with some moderators/admins that teleport to you, e.g. they are teleporting constantly to you and hitting/annoying you or whatever (which it did not happen), Tell us.

To be honest, We are one of the most peaceful servers I know. On our server, people easily get along with Staff and other members. It will be hard for you to find another server better or equal to ours. If you want to get in a war with someone, you don't have to constantly state it on chat, It annoys everyone (This is for llkhronic too). Try to keep it on message, on the forums or just don't keep saying it on chat every day, every hour...
PvP is not the mainly aspect of our server, but we allow it under certain limits, which you crossed over by flying while pvp. I've never seen you PvP under other circunstances, I only saw it that time. Other people have already been punished for breaking PvP rules but I also see people that PvP legally.

I hope you understand our point of view of your issue, We have already explained it to you several times but you seem to clearly only focus on yours. We tried to give you a new chance by making peace after an arena battle. If you feel like temporary banning you for flying during pvp or taking your fly due to the abuse were better options than that, post below please.

[Fedgar_Lurch]

This a survival server. That is the main aspect. The pvp aspect is slight if at all. You want PvP and war to be the main aspect. Go somewhere else.

Trespassing is trespassing. If someone can show a reasonable claim to an area then its not wilderness it is that persons area. 

Fly during PvP is only legal in a very limited manor. If your in you area and you are attacked you may defend yourself. As I have stated. Otherwise its not allowed. Especially if you are flitting about someone else's area. Even if they attack you, not allowed. You were the one "spying"

Migas explained that staff do this. You personal issues with that moderator are not reflected while he is carrying out his duties. I have reviewed the logs. He has not been pestering you, abusing his power by going to you excessively. Get over yourself, he isn't out to get you, I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about you in any special way.

If you feel like we should make a change. Go through the proper procedure and post a poll asking if the players are interested in it. Honestly though... You seem to be the only person who cannot handle the rules.

I suggest you drop this weird resentment between you and llkhronic and let's just move on. This server is mainly peaceful. That's what the majority of the players here have expressed interest in. A bit of fighting now and again is fine. But you demanding llk be booted from his town just because you can't get along with him, that just shows your lack of maturity.

On a side note sending me 13 messages on the server about something that was basically irrelevant when I am obviously busy trying to do something nice for everyone (fireworks) and then getting huffy because I don't drop what I'm doing and answer you... Well you can decide what that says about you.

[Yeoldedogg]

Well, when I'm getting punished for things in which others have gotten away with it...ie llk not leaving my area when asked, seems a little odd...if not bias.  This is a survival server, but whats the point in having a survival server if there is nothing to survive from?  Mobs?  As if those are any challenge really.

So this means that the two times llkhronic has trespassed will be dealt with then?  Or his harassment of me during the whole Defloyd issue?  Or will more bias be used in favor of him?  I fallow the rules and get punished, while he walks all over the rules and remains scott free?

You call me immature, yet all I ask is for just treatment and an unbias view.  I have been threatened now twice with temp bans/bans and jailing for legitimate pvp by admins and yourself alike.  You state in the rules: "This is a PVP enabled server. But its not our sole focus", now you say, "This is a survival server. That is the main aspect. The pvp aspect is slight if at all", yet just a few days ago you stated, "If you want to hunt poeple and kill them fine, as long as it is within the rules."...please explain which it is?  You can't have survival without PvP, you can't have Towny without wars and I cant hunt people down and kill them when I get punished for fallowing what you said...or its just a build server really.

Rich you as well must be immature now too.  As you requested someone be removed from their Town and also asked 5x the amount for them to stay.

The resentment had already been dropped by me and a level of normalcy returned.  It was llkhronic whom decided to once again start it back up, by attacking me and trespassing, then attacking me again.  Yet you berate me for someone elses actions?  If you expect me to sit idle and not react your incorrect good sir.  I don't see you berating llkhronic for his actions, no you chose to be bias and focus on me.  Someone broke the rules, he got away with it...three times and you make me out to be the bad guy here?  I would have been happy with llkhronic being jailed or temp banned for his actions and it would have been done...but nothing happened.  I got pissed and made it a point to make his life a little harder on this server as it seems he can do what he wants without punishment.

So, in overview:

Rules state PVP enabled, not sole focus.  You state I can hunt people down, just fallow the rules.  Now its Survival server, main aspect.  Anyone else confused here?  llkhronic breaks rules 3 times, no punishment, I get punished and berated for it.  Rich and I are immature.

As requested, Ill put up a poll.  Where would you like it put up?

[Yeoldedogg]

Nothing listed under the Donator Rules that I can see.  Please make this post visible for viewing and Ill review.  Also, I had already been flying during llkhronic's second attack on me...Fedgar has stated this already that this is within reason.  So yes, I was warped away during legit pvp, llkhronic had attacked me once before as stated in my report on him originally, where I didn't attack back to prevent me breaking the rule...and that rule was adjusted for such situations.  Meaning if your flying and someone attacks you you can use that to your defense...I didn't start flying after the attack, but before the attack even started.  This is the incident that chris TPed me away.  I never broke any rules, I fallowed them to a T.  It was on llkhronic and his gang whom attacked while I was flying...they should re-read the ruling on it.  They called foul play when it was perfectly fair.

Now the incident with trespassing on jb's mine...he had started combat with me first...called trespassing and kept trying to set me on fire with lava buckets.  Sorry, but in my eyes he started combat and used "Admin Commands" to prevent his death.  I decided as I already knew I would be warped away to grab some iron and gold why I was there.  I believe it was you there as well when JB TPd to me...then attempted to kill me...yet, you I believe stated it wasn't against the rules because he didn't kill me.  So then it would be perfectly ok for me to bring someone to 1 heart then drop a lava bucket at their feet?  I mean, in that case I wouldn't be breaking the rules right?  That ruling seems a little bias.


So now, its you have to give someone a chance...I thought It was trespassing after 20 seconds?  Not warn them...warn them again...wait 20seconds...ok now its trespassing.  I never TP'd to jb, but TPd to the town or was it my /home I had set near the town to prevent the 20 charge, can't remember now.

The next thing you brought up was me going to there base and them needing to defend themselves.  I was disguised as a sheep when someone went to hit me..due to cool down no dmg done...but I thought it in all fairness to /undis.  None the less, this wasn't their base, was wilderness and they didn't need to "Defend themselves"...as I was not there in a compacity to attack within the eyes of the rules.

"Using /fly during pvp IS NOT legal against people on the ground" ---> Fedgar made the ruling that if your mounted/flying/in a boat when someone attacks you you can use it in your defense.

If I may add, that would make 3 threats of banning/temp/banning/removal of powers now for legit combat.

[Migas]

Well, when I'm getting punished for things in which others have gotten away with it...ie llk not leaving my area when asked, seems a little odd...if not bias. 

So this means that the two times llkhronic has trespassed will be dealt with then? 

Please read my post again carefully. It answers this matter.

Rich you as well must be immature now too.  As you requested someone be removed from their Town and also asked 5x the amount for them to stay.

Rich and I were clearly kidding about Guard since he left our town, declared us war and then joined Mirlaz -.- . That issue was not taken seriously as you did with llkhronic, you can check the difference between topics if you want.

I got pissed and made it a point to make his life a little harder on this server as it seems he can do what he wants without punishment.

For your information, llkhronic was punished in the past and he doesn't have any special treatment as other people.
I don't understand why do you think we treat you specially than others. We try to equally respect everyone and, while I read your posts, I can see that you clearly think Staff is doing everything to go against you... Why would we do that? Why would we go against someone in specific?

Rules state PVP enabled, not sole focus.  You state I can hunt people down, just fallow the rules.  Now its Survival server, main aspect.  Anyone else confused here?

Nope, I'm not confused.
To make it clear, PvP is allowed under certain limits and if you break those limits (rules) you are punished. Yes, of course you can hunt people down but teleporting to them or setting a home in their area is not the correct one and will lead you to break rules. You can do like llkhronic did to you... walk across the map.

As requested, Ill put up a poll.  Where would you like it put up?

You can make it as a poll here --> http://sentinelcraft.net/forum/index.php?board=16.0

Nothing listed under the Donator Rules that I can see.

"e. Use good judgement, abuse your VIP Powers and you may lose them."
Members don't have /fly.

Meaning if your flying and someone attacks you you can use that to your defense... [...]
"Using /fly during pvp IS NOT legal against people on the ground" ---> Fedgar made the ruling that if your mounted/flying/in a boat when someone attacks you you can use it in your defense.

This answers you, it's from Fedgar's post above these:
"Fly during PvP is only legal in a very limited manor. If your in you area and you are attacked you may defend yourself. As I have stated. Otherwise its not allowed. Especially if you are flitting about someone else's area. Even if they attack you, not allowed. You were the one "spying""

So then it would be perfectly ok for me to bring someone to 1 heart then drop a lava bucket at their feet?  I mean, in that case I wouldn't be breaking the rules right?

No, it would be against the rules, since you would kill them without any motive after they teleport.

So now, its you have to give someone a chance...I thought It was trespassing after 20 seconds?  Not warn them...warn them again...wait 20seconds...ok now its trespassing.

I like to be reasonable. Sometimes I don't read chat by pure distraction. If i get distracted, other people might also get distracted. I just showed you how I handle it my way. If you predict that everyone reads it at the first time, that's fine.

I never TP'd to jb, but TPd to the town or was it my /home I had set near the town to prevent the 20 charge, can't remember now.

The rule is called "Unwanted teleporting". I'm gonna search the "teleporting" meaning, because you're missing the point on this issue.
"Teleportation is the theoretical transfer of matter from one point to another without traversing the physical space between them."
You don't need to teleport to the specific player for it to be unwanted. In case you have teleported to your home that you set there, you're in his area, making it unwanted by him. And then this leads to what happened, me kicking you out after he asking for you to leave several times.

None the less, this wasn't their base, was wilderness and they didn't need to "Defend themselves"

I was there -_- ... It was clearly their area lol...

We tried to give you a new chance by making peace after an arena battle. If you feel like temporary banning you for flying during pvp or taking your fly due to the abuse were better options than that, post below please.

You didn't give your opinion about this, can you give it now?

[Fedgar_Lurch]

Well, when I'm getting punished for things in which others have gotten away with it...ie llk not leaving my area when asked, seems a little odd...

You have gotten "punished" because you were not wise enough to realize that complaining about past infractions of which you have no proof isnt going to sway me.

So this means that the two times llkhronic has trespassed will be dealt with then?  Or his harassment of me during the whole Defloyd issue?  Or will more bias be used in favor of him?  I fallow the rules and get punished, while he walks all over the rules and remains scott free?

Again... the things that were proven. Like when llk was in the wrong about defloyd has been dealt with. Other then that any time llk has broken the rules (and been reported) he has punished.
So your grievance here is invalid.

"This is a PVP enabled server. But its not our sole focus", and "This is a survival server. That is the main aspect. The pvp aspect is slight if at all"

This is a Pvp Enabled server since you obviously have no idea what enabled means I will help
enabled: make (a device or system) operational; activate.
I see these two things being completely inline with each other.

Pretty much your entire issue is just that you are upset because you feel slighted that you are in trouble for things that you feel llk has gotten away with. You are not being treated differently. You need to report these incidents when there is any chance of us being able to investigate. If you do not, then obivously they will not be punished. Simple as that.

[Yeoldedogg]

Well, when I'm getting punished for things in which others have gotten away with it...ie llk not leaving my area when asked, seems a little odd...

You have gotten "punished" because you were not wise enough to realize that complaining about past infractions of which you have no proof isnt going to sway me.

So this means that the two times llkhronic has trespassed will be dealt with then?  Or his harassment of me during the whole Defloyd issue?  Or will more bias be used in favor of him?  I fallow the rules and get punished, while he walks all over the rules and remains scott free?

Again... the things that were proven. Like when llk was in the wrong about defloyd has been dealt with. Other then that any time llk has broken the rules (and been reported) he has punished.
So your grievance here is invalid.

"This is a PVP enabled server. But its not our sole focus", and "This is a survival server. That is the main aspect. The pvp aspect is slight if at all"

This is a Pvp Enabled server since you obviously have no idea what enabled means I will help
enabled: make (a device or system) operational; activate.
I see these two things being completely inline with each other.

Pretty much your entire issue is just that you are upset because you feel slighted that you are in trouble for things that you feel llk has gotten away with. You are not being treated differently. You need to report these incidents when there is any chance of us being able to investigate. If you do not, then obivously they will not be punished. Simple as that.

I give up at this point and await your response to my mail.

[Varun aka eoyvideoteam]

I have Mods hounding me warping to me when ever without reason, though I've had issues with their Town, pretty much looking for reasons to get me jailed or banned.

As you are clearly talking about me, the role of a mod and issues with the town have nothing to do with me watching over people as Fed and Migas have already mentioned. I teleport to most everybody on the server periodically to check on if they are following rules, and you are no exception. So far, I have yet to see someone complain about that, as it is just a staff member doing their job.

So this means that the two times llkhronic has trespassed will be dealt with then?  Or his harassment of me during the whole Defloyd issue?  Or will more bias be used in favor of him?  I fallow the rules and get punished, while he walks all over the rules and remains scott free?

Rules state PVP enabled, not sole focus.  You state I can hunt people down, just fallow the rules.  Now its Survival server, main aspect.  Anyone else confused here?  llkhronic breaks rules 3 times, no punishment, I get punished and berated for it.  Rich and I are immature.

Part of the reason that you may feel that way is that llkhronic does not "complain" or make open posts about it. He is being dealt with appropriately.

[Fedgar_Lurch]

Excellent, Then you are no longer insisting that your getting unfair treatment and that one of my staff members is holding some kind of bais against you. Thank you for acceding those points.

Im glad you have decided to take the high road and just forgive and forget with llk, that way we can have a more harmonious server. I can assure you its much appreciated by all.

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